View Full Version : Watch Out Have You been Caught by Them Yet ???????????????


wildperson
05-20-2007, 08:58 AM
A Bulgarian Fairy Story :mad:

Once upon a time there was a property agent in Bulgaria. She was a short, stumpy wizen dwarf-like creature with ginger hair, skin like leather and horrible teeth. She was very naughty and made a lot of customers very unhappy. She pretended to be their friend and find them a nice holiday home but in reality she was a wicked witch of a woman and took money from many people who never got their dream homes after all! Despite the exploits of the handsome stranger who tried to help those poor, unfortunates who had handed over their life’s savings, she got away with deceit and lies and a lot of cash for many years.

Then, to her horror, Bulgaria joined the EU and everything changed. Now the wicked witch was in danger because the EU laws could now help unfortunate consumers who had lost out to the wicked woman’s deals. Entry to the EU brought new consumer rights to the poor victims of the wicked witch and she was in mortal danger of going to a damp dungeon for her terrible sins.

Fearing for her safety she hatched a cunning plan to escape justice. She went on forage to find another land that was outside of the reaches of the trusty EU laws. Eventually, after much travelling (and let’s not forget, every mile for her short stubby legs must seem like two for us normal humans) she eventually found sanctuary in a land called Turkey.

Discovering that Turkey was outside of the jurisdiction of the knights of the EU, she decided to settle there in, what she believed to be, safety and anonymity.

Before long, disguised as a friendly Munchkin, she purchased a villa from a very nice person calling themselves Ada who lives near to the Cagdat Hotel not far from the town cemetery.

So, the wicked witch, unbeknown to the inhabitants of Yavansu region, decided to settle down in the newly renovated villa in the village of Kusadasi thinking to herself “who could ever suspect a harmless Munchkin of starting up any wicked trickery again in here? I have a clean slate away from the EU and a whole new supply of innocent, unsuspecting victims just waiting to hand over their money to me”

She really had hoped to live there, happily ever after………but any way you disguise it, honest people will always see through the most elaborate disguise and reveal the true identity and location of any poison dwarf. Now the wicked witch is wondering just what else the good, honest people are planning to prevent her from living happily ever after!

THE END.


Helpful Poem :mad:



Houses can be a problem, but land is easy to find!

If you have trouble with your house
And the transfer becomes a bind
Do not despair help is at hand
So don’t go out of your mind.

If other agents treat you well
But yours is being unkind
Just send me a PM on this forum
And don’t get left behind.

For we can help give you a second chance
And stop that daily grind
Of chasing The Witch who stole your cash
And give you second wind.

So remember, we are here to help
And finally, Justice find
Houses CAN be a problem,
But land is easy to find!


Watch Out Have You been Caught by Them Yet ?????????????????????


Has anybody brought or thought they had brought a house or land and still have no deeds or money.In Bulgaria, Turkey,Spain,

From Bulgarian Cheap Properties, Pegasus,Bulgrupo,Bulgarian horse and home,Bulgarian Union, OR

Debbie Butland,Debra Butland,Nick Butland,Chris Butland,Lyn Symes,Shelly Gadsden or many other names they use. We would like as much information as soon as possible.
MANY OF US HAVE NO HOUSES / NO DEEDS AND ALL THE MONEY GONE TO THEM..

YOU MAY BE NEXT.

Robinhood999
05-24-2007, 09:55 PM
Hi Everyone,
I am new to this forum but an old hand on My Bulgaria forums if you would like to check me out (robin999).

For two years now I and a group of fellow 'victims' have been seeking justice against the BUTLAND family mentioned above. I can confirm the above and am willing to supply any documentary evidence requested to do so.
(I am actually the author of the two poems!) I, like Wildperson, purchased properties in Bulgaria 2 years ago and ,even though I engaged a lawyer, had endless problems with transfers.

They sold me a house with no land even though I paid for the land, they also transfered (only after 6 months and much intervention) the WRONG piece of land. I paid for a building plot with planning permission but got a worthless piece of scrub land in its place! Finally, I paid for a new villa to be built. All via a laawyer...(Contracted price was £63.500). I had many progress reports up to "the roof is being fitted today" but when I turned up on a surprise visit NO work had been done at all! Then the price was "increased to £80,000. When the Bulgarian builder the BUTLAND's had CONTRACTED (fully legal contract and enforcible in law) had carried out half the work on the house he had a surveyor check out the "deeds". It was then we discovered that the Butlands and the lawyer had arranged the building on one plot but had transferred the adjacent plot to my company! Result......I was paying for a new villa to be built on their land...AND the lawyer acting for me knew this but was ALSO acting for them! When we found out, I eventually had the correct land transferred to me but this was not the end. The Butlands immediately ceased the contract with the builder and, although they had another £35,000 of MY money, they did not pay him any more. He went out of business with the build and his men had no more work and they kept the cash!

I have since sent MANY documents to police and authorities in both UK and Bulgaria but the legal process is complex and slow....meanwhile these people have conned many others who, I'm sure will corroborate all I have said.

I have NO FEAR of any reperccusssions because eveything I report is fact and backed up with documentary evidence. I will stand up and be counted so that these people cannot defraud anyone else of their hard earned money. I WILL name and shame in an effort to protect the innocent and if they wish to challenge me legally all I say is "Bring it on"

In the past 18 months they have traded as www.Bulgarian-cheap-properties.com www.Bulgrupo.com www.sunnyjoyhomes.com www.bulgarianhorseandhome.com and NOW www.bulgarianunion.com
I wonder why the constannt changes?

Check out www.bulgarianunion.co.uk to see some of their story!

If you need more info send me a PM and I will confirm all....and no doubt others will add to this in due course.
Be careful, they move to KUSADASI, Turkey on 27th May 2007. (I wonder why?).

Good luck and be careful, RobinHood999 ;)

Robinhood999
05-25-2007, 09:44 AM
Hi all,

I just found this post on the Property-in-Bulgaria forum. Looks like the Bulgarian Union is touting the forums for customers now. Not a problem if you are in a position to make "an INFORMED decision" before you sign anything. This is what was listed by Chris of Bulgarian Union. Now you can make a more informed judgment given all the facts!

"hi everybody verry nice forum you have here Well buying Property in bulgaria is very exciting
and so many beautiful places to see and explore and to buy property mountains rivers Where we are Based In elhovo is a Stunning area
We have forest fishing lakes swiming etc.. Our Properties Are one of the lowest in the Area! Check our Website compared to others.

If you want more information Call : 047888648 CODE [00359] or Phone 0883363119 and ask for Christopher. Or Email Me At chris@bulgarianunion.com

Our Website is The Bulgarian Union "

TeleProp
05-25-2007, 10:03 AM
Hi "Chris Butland" How is your dad "Nick Butland" now he is out of jail? He must be about half way through his 2 year probation... I bet you mum "Debra Butland" is a bit fed up with having to deal with all the people she as tricked out of their money/property. Enough to make anyone psychotic, don't you think?. I hear now it is getting a bit much and you are all relocating to KUSADASI, TURKEY in the search for new opertunities/prey? Are you going? and taking your staff with you? "Lynne Symes" "Shelley Gadsden" (Debra Butland Daughter) the UK Contact and the Gypsy woman "Tanya"?

TeleProp :)
"All Forum members"
IF YOU HAVE DEALINGS WITH ANY OF THESE PEOPLE PLEASE REVIEW YOUR SITUATION. Any proplems PM me......

For further info please visit the following www.Bulgrupo.co.uk

Godofpeace
06-05-2007, 08:25 AM
Hi everybody

dont you guys have any better life than going around the internet posting a load of rubish about people on the inet

i know it should be discussed but its not rite

you lot live in the uk not in BG so ... i dont see the point of it really


or i would just say none of you have life's so thats why you are doing it...


A Good bulgarian fairy story --- more like a 0ld bulgarian fairy story lol lol lol !!!!!


Thank you for your time Godofpeace --- i will be back !!!

Robinhood999
06-08-2007, 12:23 AM
Hi, Just to point out we 'go around posting' because we are aware of problems with sums in the region of £250,000.

Nothing we post is ever rubbish...all is backed by factual documentary evidence!

Yesterday another guy came forward who 'lost over £1200 to the SAME people and TODAY one new victim found who lost £4000 and got nothing.

We are merely trying to warn to do their home work before loosing their hard earned money. I cannot see why anyone would have any issue with this at all. Given FACTS people are then in a position to make an INFORMED judgement before investing, unlike some less fortunate (and now less financilly secure) people who have already suffered through such DECEPTION.

bulgaria
06-08-2007, 11:50 AM
We will write this only ONCE in response to Robin 999 and Teleprop and the other
people that are not named, because I feel that we must respond to the lies that are being posted over every forum about myself, my staff and our buisness.

We do not want to get into endless arogant arguments with people with bad intentions.

We have been trading legally for three years and are ethical in everything we do and have hundreds of satisfied clients.

Other buisnesses are not doing as well as us, so these are postings with the idea of making us look bad and attempting to ruin our buisness.

Our many satisfied clients speak for themselves.

Bulgarianunion.com

Muffy
06-13-2007, 04:56 PM
We will write this only ONCE in response to Robin 999 and Teleprop and the other
people that are not named, because I feel that we must respond to the lies that are being posted over every forum about myself, my staff and our buisness.

We do not want to get into endless arogant arguments with people with bad intentions.

We have been trading legally for three years and are ethical in everything we do and have hundreds of satisfied clients.

Other buisnesses are not doing as well as us, so these are postings with the idea of making us look bad and attempting to ruin our buisness.

Our many satisfied clients speak for themselves.

Bulgarianunion.com

What a load of old tosh, as someone who had the misfortune for working with these people, i would advise everybody to steer well clear. If you check out the bulgarianunion.co.uk link you will notice i actually stuck up for bulgrupo as i was working for them, the fact was i was not aware of what they were up to as i was only adminstering the website.
As for being ethical i doubt they even understand the meaning of the word.
Muffy

thewebdrivers
10-05-2007, 03:41 PM
I invest in properties in India but i have never came across such scamsters as ou guys have mentioned about these bulgarianunion people. I do not know who ever is right, you people or bulgariaunion but if these scamsters really exist, it is bad for real estate business in their country. People from other countries may have to think numerous times before investing in their country.

wildperson
10-12-2007, 11:44 AM
:mad: :mad: NEW WEBSITE BULGARIANGAFFS COM

NEW E-MAIL OFFICE BULGARIANGAFFS COM

WATCH OUT THE BULGARIAN FAIRY HAS OPENED IN ANOTHER NAME AGAIN.

HAVE YOU BROUGHT FROM THIS COMPANY

BULGARIANGAFFS PLEASE CONTACT US NOW

Fluffy_Dazz
10-24-2007, 11:07 AM
With property prices like that... I am not surprised people fall into the trap.

As the saying goes, if it is too good to be true.. then it probably is!

Thanks for the heads up.

D.

bulgarianlawyer
10-28-2007, 10:34 PM
Reading this made me think of the securities that nobody uses when buying property in Bulgaria. A security is like a switch in a railroad track. Most of the time it’s unnoticed as nothing goes bad and so it’s not regarded as important. However there’s only an inch between wreck and smooth rolling.:(

eris459
12-25-2008, 09:08 AM
We are really sorry to hear of this.. and as an independent magazine (Quest Bulgaria magazine) in our third year of publication about Bulgarian property, we would be happy to publish your plight. Please could you contact us soonest with details and supporting documentation of what has happened.

We are willing to help but can only do so if you give us legal and supportive evidence...

Hoping to hear from you soon

salmanq
07-24-2009, 05:52 AM
great story about the property and real estate business.

Kally003
11-13-2009, 11:57 AM
Hello
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